thank you for reaching david and your comment and yes i agree on the confusing -- if these ideas are good why didnt they take hold? 20% or so of migrants to north america were of the quaker faith but now we count about 75,000 today for a pop of 330 mio or so). perhaps like good simple ideas (first do no harm, sharing is caring, peace be with you) they are really challenging to implement AND/OR we prefer giving up the individual responsibilities of living these values. capitulating to hierarchies and strong leaders that allow us to hide and complain! (ok that was more snark than spark ... but perhaps something true from a neuro science stand point, the adage of "neurons fire together and wire together")